Do You Reuse Journeys Multiple Times for Long-term Information?

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#1 22 November, 2015 - 08:19
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Do You Reuse Journeys Multiple Times for Long-term Information?


Do you reuse memory journeys/palaces multiple times for long-term information?

If so, how do you keep images from mixing? Or is it even a problem for you?

I'm curious to find out how many people do this successfully.

22 November, 2015 - 18:49
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not very often have I recycled. however, there have been a couple of times something I wanted to memorize fit much better into a palace that I had already used, so I did basically overwrote the old palace. It worked just fine presumably due to the better fit of the new palace.

23 November, 2015 - 06:16
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Questions like these really need a neutral experimenter and a set of test subjects. E.g. my prejudice before testing it was that reusing will mess things up.

Variables: how random are the images?, how many times journey reused?, how much time between reusing?, do use the same journey or slightly modified for different set of images?, how much linking between images?, how much repetition?

I have tried it really hard with the compressed journeys of RGB system (lots of reusing, lots of linking&associations between the current set of images), and with a lot of repetition I can recall different sets of images. But I haven't put the same amount of effort into testing the technique with ordinary distant-spaced-loci journeys, because of my pejudiced feeling that "distance between loci makes it harder to make connections between images".

Test results on me are that what is neccessary for recalling different sets of images within the same journey is eliminating the randomness of the images. That would be making a lot of associations within the set of images, and then giving it time so "sink in", by spaced repetition. Can't say anything about the distance between loci, because of my prejudice.

23 November, 2015 - 13:55
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I haven't tried re-use yet, but I've considered it because I'm lazy, so it seems easier. But so far, there's no lack of material for forming new journeys, so re-use for long-term info doesn't seem necessary.

23 November, 2015 - 15:11
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Yes. And I find it very successful.

I am assuming when you say long term information, you are not talking about overwriting, but remembering concurrently. More than one set of information attached to one location.

I am trying to replicate indigenous memory systems, the basis of which is the method of loci. All of my memorisation is long term. I am no good at doing things under pressure - time or competition.

My main journey is 242 places long to cover all the countries of the world in population order. The first stage of that I use for multiple purposes.

For the first section I have the countries plus the end of another long journey which is my 'Journey through Time'. The Journey Through Time starts at 4,600 million years ago and ends up at today. By 1900 I have been around the block, and then around another one and back home.

The last 115 years get a whole location each and cover from 1900 until today. This overlaps with my Countries Journey, starting in my study. 1900 is at position 0 of the Countries Journey, 1901 at China. In each location I have at least one major event. So data about the countries, say Iran at 17, is also the location for the Armenian genocide in 1917. Sometimes the two get interwoven in the memory aid, but there is no difficulty separating them when I want to withdraw information.

It often gets more complicated than that. I have assigned 130 'ancestors' to two decks of cards much like memory champions do. I use people who I want to know a great deal more about because of their influence. And I am copying indigenous methods again. I use a normal deck and a tarot deck - hence the total of 52 + 78 giving 130. I associate them with their birthdate - they are assigned to cards in chronological order. It happens that Indira Gandhi was born in 1917. So she is also associated with that location. But the extra information about her is associated with the card. She also gets associated with location 2, which is India.

I use that same journey for memorising short term - say the parts of a public talk. Having characters and countries there gives me more to link to. In the talk, of course, the characters and countries don't get mentioned.

This overlapping just happened after a year or so of mimicking indigenous memory systems - and seeing how like those of this forum they are. I have outlines the 25 experiments I am doing on my website:

http://www.lynnekelly.com.au/memory-experiments/

I am deliberately reusing what I call my large memory spaces - such as the landscape - and my miniature ones, such as hand held devices, because indigenous cultures have integrated knowledge systems, not each domain separately.

I learn mostly from Australian Aboriginal cultures. Their 'songlines' are using the method of loci. Their churinga and other inscribed handheld objects act as miniature memory spaces. Their mythological ancestors form a pantheon of characters whose stories encode the information, just like my decks of cards. They were totally dependent on their memories to store all the practical, cultural and spiritual knowledge, and it was all overlapping and integrated.

I thought multiple use of journeys for long term storage would be a problem and confusing, but it simply isn't.

It is such fun!

24 November, 2015 - 07:35
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Thanks for the input Lynne, you're making me think a little more about how re-using journeys could be really advantageous. I'm gonna read through your blog to try to get more info.

24 November, 2015 - 15:12
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Short answer based on my own experience: if you want to "rewrite" the images = bad idea. Interference will be strong and you end up remembering neither the old image nor the new image.
If you want to increment the images = good idea. Connections between the images make them more solid. The only caution, here, would be not to put too many things in the same place. Too much information can become chaotic and, as a result, loose the links.

24 November, 2015 - 16:27
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I find that I can remember different types of data.

So, long-term info does not interfere with a speed deck. However, I don't do that too often.

Also, I have re-used loci for song titles, Pi, random words, films and so on. They don't clash and overlap as they are different types of images.

In fact, I sometimes think that reusing images like this strengthens them for me, as it makes each image more vibrant.

Personally, I wouldn't store similar info in this way. However, I do include additional info to attach to that previously recorded. So, for one year I may have the Oscar winner for best film as well as e.g. British Prime-Minister or Top selling album. But I wouldn't want to include e.g. best-selling single.

25 November, 2015 - 06:05
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I agree about limiting the number of items or the benefit of cross-linking will be lost in the chaos. I am exploring what is too much. I have four different sets in a few locations and figure that might be my limit.

I hadn't thought about different or similar information. Thinking about it now, I must admit I am using very different types of information when I double or triple up. I am not trying to do things with speed. Sadly, I am just hopeless with mnemonics under pressure. I really admire those who can do it!

My comment above has generated a question on my blog and a number of emails. I have been asked who my card characters are. I have 130 with the standard deck and the tarot deck, in chronological order to add another level of information. I have listed them on my blog:

http://www.lynnekelly.com.au

Comments welcome. Anyone new I would have to link to an existing one, because I have committed them to memory and I get very confused trying to change things.

25 November, 2015 - 23:53
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Just the fact that there was a definite period of time between the first and second long string of information makes them distinct. If you want to be totally sure that there won't be interference, you can always link every single object to the next. Hasn't been necessary for me though, possibly also because the long term sequences memorized in the same palace are disparate topics.

28 November, 2015 - 21:16
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one way to reuse/recycle... I memorized the presidents in order using a palace. then, I overlaid the elements (periodic table up to 44) in order. it worked much better than I anticipated

1 December, 2015 - 18:51
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LabDocFarmer, did you find that you linked the presidents and elements sometimes / always / never?

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