from zero to hero - or how long should I practice to be able to use the methods for my actual learning

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#1 12 October, 2015 - 05:47
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from zero to hero - or how long should I practice to be able to use the methods for my actual learning


I figured that it might be difficult to take up mnemonics and use them right away for things you are studying. Now I have made learning languages a habit, and I hear many people talk about the mind palaces in order to learn vocabulary. So I decided to divide my time, dedicated to learning, between mnemonics and vocabulary.

How long should I practice, before I apply the methods for my actual learning?

12 October, 2015 - 06:01
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If you want to learn language then you can use them right away within two hours max.

12 October, 2015 - 06:10
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A day, maybe half a day.

Actually all you need to know is how to use a memory palace, or other techniques, and how to put the things you want to learn into it. It might take some time to master it fully and find what works for you, but you can start with it right away.

12 October, 2015 - 07:07
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Really? I am pretty scared to start and I don't want to mess with my usual methods. Since I heard you have to master so many things concerning the palace, there are many things that could go wrong and then you would not properly learn it,
And the palace would be lost because the pictures could interfere.

But I am happy to hear that, and I will give it a try, with my books about the memory palace and mnemonics.

12 October, 2015 - 07:16
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Could you list a few things you heard you had to master? I myself just made a palace and went with it, never had any problems haha

12 October, 2015 - 07:17
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Why don't you try to memorise random words using Loci first? Try to memorise random words using Loci. You will understand how to do it. Then use it on your language learning.

12 October, 2015 - 07:26
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@Mayarra
I heard that you should be sure about the order, and that there could be problems when you want to attach a new room or palace
I also heard that stepping out of the rooms can give you problems, if you do not construct the route correctly
Also there was this issue about putting into an order the things you want to learn.
And with constructing pictures that stick.

So that's why I am scared to start.
I could definitely practice with random stuff like @suryasekhar suggests. The thing is, I am pretty good at remembering random words anyways, so I would want this method mostly for the hard stuff like Korean and words that won't stick. And I don't think practicing with easy things will help me, as I won't know if I remember through the palace or through my usual memory. So I need something more complicated to practice with.

Also I have this ton of books about all the different methods, and it looks so easy, and I even know it can work, as I tried it out once when I was younger. But then I gave up, I always wanted to take it back up, but I want to be flexible, and it all seems as if I had a lot of construction work to do before I begin. Also: When I don't use it, I keep losing it. And I really don't know where to start. Albeit it looks so easy, I have the feeling that so many things can go wrong. And I always think about which method to learn and to apply to my (mostly) language learning.

12 October, 2015 - 08:15
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The route indeed is important, and it has to be good, though it is way easier than it sounds. Start with your own home for a memory palace, usually that is good for about 50 loci (5-10 per room). I started with all the loci first, I listed all the rooms and decided on the things I wanted to make a loci, things that stood out. When I had 5-10 loci per room I moved to the route. I made a route that had me going through all the rooms only once. With some homes this is harder to do, then you can just put the rooms in a logical order. Your aim has to be travelling as less as possible, but still cover all the rooms.

Upstairs I have 4 rooms and a room of which I don't know the english word, a passage or corridor? anyway, it connects all the rooms. I have no loci there because there is nothing there, I just use it to travel from one room to another. I come there multiple times, but it is logical, and I give it no attention at all when walking back through all the memories in the memory palace. I also noticed I don't walk through the memory palace at all. I just "teleport" from loci to loci.

A route doesn't have to be hard, it only has to make sense. Just imagine yourself thinking there is a burglar in your house, the burglar is hidden somewhere and doesn't move at all, and you have to search all the rooms as fast as possible, which route would you take?

Adding new rooms has never been a problem for me, as long as all the other rooms stay the same. I also have separate memory palaces, no conflict between any :)

12 October, 2015 - 09:38
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Hello there, you can create a passage like Mayara says of up your room and of you house, take a walk and visualize all of the amenities.. the color of the sky, blue(or blew), my walls in my house happen to be tan so picture yourself at a tanning salon or tan booth get a neurologically deep crescent enriched feeling for the world around you and your memory palace will never fail. Using Artificial memory palaces are not as strong and are limiting so construct one easily on your street taking in all of everything: Stop signs, traffic lights, the birds afloat(Robins = Row Buns) I picture an Oar with two patty buns on both sides as the rower rows(Funny and very Cool! :D) and use a generated mnemonic list as your memory palace using interchangeable words for example: red is read, blue is blue, purple is turtle etc, then combine these into a networks of menomics based on what your street has and combine the rote vizualization of memory with your real life memory palace and memory if formed almost automatically to remmber!!!

I use another mneomics system to keep them in order based on the number I need to remmber 1 = a hot dog bun, 2 = Sew, and the rest of the mneomics is up to you!(rhyming small internal rhymes always helps to memorize better as this site states here :http://www.memory-improvement-tips.com/remembering-lists.html ) And viola!! You have your advanced system!!! Hope I helped :)

14 October, 2015 - 23:07
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So how your brain training going? What's the development? Please do share.

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